barbarity or racism
Respect for the dead and the pain of the living is a sign of humanity.
The stacking of the bodies of thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians in blue bags, packed into shipments containing children, women, and men who were killed or executed by Zionist occupation forces, exposes the depth of barbarity inherent in the Zionist mentality and the racism embedded in the Western mindset.
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@Aurelia Mour, I appreciate your solidarity and respect your humanity, but forgive me for objecting to the word "suffering", because I am not suffering now, I am resisting.
Glory to Indigenous people
@Aleksandre Taveau, You write too many words, my language does not help me to understand you. But to end the discussion, I suggest you host the Israeli civilian settlers for a month in your house. After that, I would like to read your articles.
@Aurelia Mour Your comment proves nothing. I have previously stated that I am not a Zionist. I do not think that Israel was the right place to establish a Jewish nation, and if they felt they absolutely had to establish one there, they should have cooperated peacefully with the Palestinians instead of violently forcing them out.
But now it has been too long to stop them from violently colonizing the land. It has already been done, and the people who did it are long dead.
The average Israeli civilian today was born in Israel, raised in Israel, and for them Israel is home. If we forcefully kick them out, they will fight back, just as the Palestinians did in 1948 and beyond. There will not be peace.
Yes, the USA abused and murdered Native Americans. That is irrelevant to this discussion and a red herring.
You say my words are just wind, but ignore the surveys and links I’ve sent, and fail to provide more than words yourself. Yes, the government and the military are primarily to blame. Are there individual Israeli civilians that want to kill or have killed Palestinian civilians? Undoubtedly, yes. But they are not representative of the broader Israeli civilian populace.
I would like to ask you this question: What is the objective of your arguments? Why do you wish to so thoroughly dehumanize Israeli civilians? It will not advance the Palestinian cause, it will discredit it and associate it with antisemitism (which is not a “racist word” but a real form of bigotry). I hope you are not trying to justify the atrocities Hamas has committed against them. Were the teenagers celebrating a music festival on Oct. 7th “demons?” Were the families, the mothers and children, taken hostage and fearing for their lives and relatives, “demons?”
I am sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. I believe Israel has no right to bomb high civilian population areas and civilian targets into oblivion, had no right to invade Rafah and other cities with no direct link to Oct. 7th, and has no right to abuse and discriminate against Palestinians as it has since 1948. But this senseless dehumanization, and these supposed reciprocal war crimes committed against its civilians, will not solve anything. The Israelis dehumanized the Palestinians, and so the Palestinians understandably wanted to fight back. As I asked to Mohammed Afefa, why would it be any different just because the sides were switched?
Additionally, by attempting to paint all of Israel as cruel mindless demons, you allow the real perpetrators of its mass crimes - Netanyahu’s administration and its military and law enforcement since 1948 - to escape responsibility, under the pretext that the blame somehow lies with Israel’s population as a whole.
@Mohammed Afefa
I am so sorry that you are suffering these injustices by these demons. Israel is the cancer of Palestine. Their cruelty defines them.
@Aleksandre Taveau " It is the government's fault, Blah, blah" just words, wind,
If you love them so much exile them to the USA.
To the country of the decline of civilization. Vulgarity instead of truth.
Of course we see how you treat your natives in the past and today.
"Navajo Nation leaders raise alarm over reports of Indigenous people being questioned and detained during immigration sweeps" January 27, 2025
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/27/us/navajo-detained-ice-indigenous-im…
Palestine is like a woman who asks for a divorce who was raped since 1948 and till today with excuses and laws you describe, your are complicit if you don't get it.
She is forced to stay in this relationship by the brute who decides her fate.
All the wars since 1948 provoked and justified with lies and the destructions and steals by the "Bunker People".
In your case, swallow a "library" and look for the voices of the "natives" instead of the aggressors.
The Middle East is the cradle of civilization attacked by "vandals" without souls or history.
Who are They? , the same ones that a law prohibits them from DNA testing in occupied Palestine?
"Antisemitism" is the most racist word.
A "Palestinian child" has more values than all these morons togethers all around the world, who were given a country without the agreement of the natives and try to erase their history and been. Aurélia Mour
@Mohamed Afefa And can you scientifically prove that most Israelis are violent Palestinian-hating civilian-killing psychopaths?
Most Israelis are civilians. They personally have nothing to do with what Netanyahu and his genocidal government have done. Soldiers, generals, and politicians deserve the blame, not the families and innocents that have been abducted, murdered, and raped on either side.
Palestinians want their land back. I get it. They had it forcefully and brutally stolen from them, and that is wrong. Israel should be held accountable for mistreating Palestinian civilians for decades, manipulating and abusing their control over their electricity and other essentials, and be forced to make appropriate amends for killing tens of thousands of them. But we live in 2025, not 1948. Now, the civilians and families living in Israel are no longer the original settlers that came in and pushed Palestinians out of their homes. They are people who were born in that land and grew up in it, and had nothing to do with its brutal establishment. Not only would violently and forcefully kicking them out be morally wrong, it would also lead to MORE war, not peace. Remember, that’s exactly how this whole conflict started - people were forced out of their homeland. Why would it be any different just because the sides are flipped).
And no matter how horrible the Israeli government and its atrocities are, that does not excuse or justify perpetrating atrocities against civilians, from any nation. It also, as I said before, discredits the Palestinian cause when instead of standing up to only military forces and following the rules of war, Hamas gives in to the same bloodthirstiness as Israel and commits war crimes.
I have also said nothing about Jews in Europe. I do not understand what your point is there.
@Aleksandre Taveau, you talk much like your President, but I don’t understand what you’re trying to prove here. Are you suggesting that there are good Israelis? Yes, that’s true, but you haven’t scientifically explained what percentage of them exist within the extremist Zionist society.
You should know that the Polish Jewish civilian settler now lives in my village, occupies my grandfather’s house, eats from his farm, and shoots any Palestinian who approaches it—or wants me to be a seasonal worker to harvest the crops of my land.
All we want is to reclaim our land. As for the issue of Jews in Europe, it means nothing to us.
Get some knowledge about the deep reality of things.
While it is indeed a flaw that most Israelis do not demonstrate in favor of rights for Palestinians specifically, protesting in favor of a ceasefire is by its nature in favor of saving Palestinian lives; additionally, most Israelis support a 2-state solution, which would inevitably allow for Palestinians to have better treatment in rights: https://theconversation.com/as-international-support-for-an-independent…
The civilian population that is required (emphasis on required, because for most Israelis it is not even a choice) to undergo military service do in fact return to civilian status when they are discharged. That is how it is for nearly every military in the world. They are not sitting at home "admiring" the destruction and carnage. It is ignorant and insensitive that you think they are when right now, as I said before, hundreds of thousands are out there on the streets protesting not just the war, but Netanyahu and his government, as they have done since he was elected.
Also, the next Israeli election for PM is not until 2026, though I'm sure you and I both wish it were sooner. If it happened now, I guarantee you Netanyahu would be booted out, as many Israelis dislike him: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1482429/israel-public-approval-rati…
There are few exceptions. They never demonstrate for the injustices of the natives. The civilian population that must go through military service are no longer civilians. They are warm at home admiring the destruction of the natives lives and lands. Walking around the streets armed. Elections have consequences. It is not courage that lives in them but silence. The irony is the universities that teach them freedom, human rights, ownership of stolen land. A.M
@Aurelia Mour
The Israeli civilians of today are not the ones that went into the land in 1948. They did not personally push out Palestinians. The average Israeli civilian has never done such a thing. The fault lies with the Israeli military and government. If Israelis are truly "soulless" and "heartless" as you claim, why are hundreds of thousands of them protesting against the war? Why are hundreds of thousands of them praying for the safety of their families who have been kidnapped and grieving the loved ones that have been ruthlessly murdered, just as Palestinian civilians are praying and grieving for their families?
When you dehumanize an entire nation of people like this based on the crimes of their government, you make it impossible to create a lasting peace.
The IDF commits war crimes and kills civilians. But this is no excuse to kidnap, murder, and rape civilians that have done no such thing just because they are from the same country. If Hamas only attacked military targets, they'd have the moral advantage. But because they too kill innocents, use terrorist tactics, and have genocidal implications, they are no better than the IDF.
Recognize and support Palestine's legitimate government and right to be a sovereign state, not Hamas.
@Mohammed Afefa
Your are welkom,
I hope one day to see Palestine free in peace.
Thinking of these thousands of immortal souls.
Plastine makes the world free. A.M
@Aleksandre Taveau
Violence may not be the solution and suffering is equally painful on both sides. Israeli civilians are no strangers to the conflict by stealing native land, I would like to see you there when one day you are told that it is not your home, your land, your identity.
This is how we force the natives against any enemy.
They only take and give nothing but suffering in return.
Their lack of respect and compassion for the natives of Palestine speaks volumes about this soulless and heartless people.
They do not even deserve the native wind on their genocidal faces. A.M
@Mohammed Afefa You put words into my mouth. I am fully aware and went out of my way to acknowledge Israeli crimes. I am not a Zionist either. But you seem to be blinded by your hatred of Zionism in that you cannot see that Hamas - who are not Palestinian civilians, but fighters that have used terrorist tactics - is guilty of atrocity as well. Those images you cite, particularly of the Israeli soldiers being released “in full health,” do they even exist? Because from what I’ve seen recently, the hostages who are released come out emaciated, shaken, and under duress to make false statements. And they aren’t even soldiers, they’re civilians.
Non-violent Palestinian resistance is not terrorism. Violent Palestinian resistance that only focuses on military targets is not terrorism. But Hamas is neither of those things, and they are clearly who Marilena Nardi’s original cartoon was portraying. Murdering civilians and committing war crimes just as Israel does will not further the Palestinian cause. It discredits it and provokes the Israeli military to continue overextending itself and kill innocent Palestinian civilians.
@Aleksandre Taveau, Yes, the cartoon serves as a response to anti-Palestinian cartoons; the attempt to portray Palestinian resistance as terrorism constitutes an act of hostile propaganda.
When it comes to atrocities, we can draw a stark comparison between images of Palestinian prisoners released after enduring horrific torture—some with amputated limbs, emaciated bodies, and skin covered in wounds and burns—and the captive Israeli soldiers who were released in full health, smiling and appearing content.
Perhaps you consider an Israeli prisoner kissing the head of a Palestinian resistance fighter (to thank him for saving his life and protecting him from Israeli bombardment targeting Israeli prisoners under the ‘Hannibal Directive’) as part of these atrocities—because you refuse to admit that Zionists are extremist and barbaric murderers.
I see this is a reference to Marilena Nardi's cartoon. While it is true that Israel is committing these horrific atrocities and needs to be held accountable, we can't just gloss over the atrocities Hamas has also committed. Recognizing the latter's crimes does not represent an inability to recognize the former.
@Aurelia Mour, Thank you for supporting the truth
A new low heinous lie brain-washing by "IsraLies". They want so badly to be believed. They have become monsters in the eyes of the whole world. Investigate all Palestinian children in Gaza shoot dead in the head or the chest by IDF snipers monsters. FreePalestine BoycottIsrael. A.M